Our second 性吧电台 the Future Think Tank regional roundtable for 2024 was held in Newcastle last month, with industry experts coming together to brainstorm ways to push forward retrofit in the North-east. Jordan Marshall reports
鈥淢oving the retrofit agenda to scale is a big challenge 鈥 particularly for quality outcomes, and it just means some of the challenges are slightly more intense,鈥 said Tom Jarman, director of Low Carbon Journey
Jarman was speaking at the 性吧电台 the Future Think Tank鈥檚 second regional roundtable for 2024, which took place last month and focused on the role of the sector鈥檚 retrofit strategy, with a particular focus on the North-east of England.
Regional importance
Ross Lowrie, principal manager (low carbon growth and net zero) at the North East Combined Authority, said this issue was integral for everyone in the North-east.
鈥淲e are in one of the more cold parts of the country and we have the worst-quality housing in the country that has the worst-quality housing stock in Europe,鈥 he said.
Paul Mann, regional director for consultancy in the North of England at Gleeds, agreed that the work being done in retrofit space was extremely significant to the region given the impact of climate change and the makeup of the housing stock.
He said: 鈥淭he work in this arena in the region is being pushed by the genuine need.鈥
Around the table
Chair: Thomas Lane, technical editor, 性吧电台
Lee Baum, skills director, New College Durham
Asimina Cole, environment manager, Re:Gen
Heather Evans, partner and national head of sustainability, RLB
Tom Jarman, director, Low Carbon Journey
Oliver Jones, associate director for sustainability and innovation, Cundall
Catriona Lingwood, chief executive, Constructing Excellence in the North-east
Ross Lowrie, principal manager (low carbon growth and net zero), North East Combined Authority
Stuart MacKinder, regional building services manager, Bowmer + Kirkland
Paul Mann, regional director for consultancy in the North of England, Gleeds
Lee Peachey, co-founder and director, Green Leaf Engineering
Paul Steadman, head of sustainability, Northumbria University
Simon Tolson, senior partner, Fenwick Elliott
Nik Turner, executive director of communities and customer services, Believe Housing
Asimina Cole, environment manager at Re:Gen, said the growth of their business showed the region鈥檚 commitment to tackling the issue.
She said 鈥淩e:Gen has grown from an SME to a true medium-sized business within four years, and that [retrofit and refurbishment] is solely the work we do.鈥
Catriona Lingwood, chief executive of Constructing Excellence in the North-east, added: 鈥淭he work Re:Gen is doing to promote the regional retrofit agenda is also the work it is doing on industry-led skills training in core competencies.鈥
But Oliver Jones, associate director for sustainability and innovation at Cundall, said that while the need and commitment in the region was clear, there needed to be a certain amount of caution.
He said: 鈥淲e are being driven by a lurching in policy from left to right and up and down that means a lot of the approach has been very, very piecemeal. As an example, we are wrapping all our buildings in insulation, which is great, but the truth is the world is still getting hotter, and we are creating a timebomb that in 10 years we will all need air-conditioners, which will be even worse for the climate.鈥
The need for trust
Despite the consensus that there is a desperate need for retrofit, not only in the North-east but across the country, how to get householders on board can be a challenge.
The group agreed that social housing providers especially, but also owner-occupiers, were moving in the right direction. However, the private rental landlords 鈥 a dominant tenure in the region 鈥 were seen to be woefully behind.
鈥淭here is a lack of trust and a lack of long term. We would be delighted to step back if the private sector could take over. Local authorities have a role to play 鈥 it鈥檚 a trust issue that needs to be built house by house, community by community, street by street. We need a viable, sustainable, long-term funding and plan for retrofit. What鈥檚 happening at the moment is too stop-start 鈥 what you want is devolved funding,鈥 Lowrie said.
But Lee Peachey, co-founder and director of Green Leaf Engineering, said that while there were issues getting widespread buy-in, it was imperative to remember the North-east was doing relatively well. 鈥淭he truth is we are leading on a lot of fronts as a region,鈥 said Peachey. 鈥淲e do undoubtefly need a plan to scale that up, but it鈥檚 important that we do recognise the positives.鈥
Paul Steadman, head of sustainability at Northumbria University, agreed that there was a definite need for collaboration to get all parties involved and amp up delivery.
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The resourcing issue
Jones said that the industry and government needed to work together to get the cash required to finance a project of this scale. 鈥淥ur government can鈥檛 afford this. So we need a long-term, well-articulated plan to attract private sector investment.鈥
Jarman agreed, saying that 鈥 making some assumptions 鈥 the cost of retrofitting the country鈥檚 housing stock would be astronomical, coming in at an estimated for 拢550m a week for decades.
鈥淏ut what government and industry both need to keep in mind is that all this comes connected with a huge amount of employability 鈥 all of this will flow via the sector and we will need the people to do that,鈥 he said.
Stuart MacKinder, regional building services manager at Bowmer + Kirkland, said the resourcing challenge went beyond finance to skills, and not just sourcing green skills either.
He said: 鈥淲e need to find a way to bring more people in. The main problem is attracting anyone into construction, rather than just green skills. We have a real issue and that is compounding the problems we are facing with green skills.鈥
The panel agreed that skills and in particular green skills were a key area that needed addressing in order to propel the sustainability and retrofit programmes.
Nik Turner, executive director of communities and customer services at Believe Housing, said while the North-east wanted to succeed, it needed the appropriate tools to do so.
鈥淪kills growth, including the skills for bidding for retrofit funding, need to be developed. We have seen the ability for industry to pull together on these things, and it can be a real strength. But we need a collaborative approach.鈥
Recommendations for the next government
Action needs to happen immediately
鈥淚f we sit back and wait, it will take too long or not happen at all 鈥 we need consistency of funding for future skills and delivery,鈥 said Heather Evans, partner and national head of sustainability at RLB. 鈥淲e work so hard to deliver these applications for things like Salix and we then can鈥檛 get access there. We need to know it鈥檚 a long-term funded retrofit programme. Please don鈥檛 take a year.鈥
Invest in skills for the future
鈥淭here is currently so much uncertainty about what people have to do and will have to do that there is not certainty,鈥 said Lee Baum, skills director at New College Durham. 鈥淲e have parents saying, 鈥榙on鈥檛 go in, don鈥檛 go in,鈥 and that鈥檚 before you even get into the point that we have no standalone green trades 鈥 ultimately we are still working on a traditional model. To qualify for most green trades you need a construction background. We need confidence moving forward to give confidence to others.鈥
Industry needs to be involved in policy and planning
鈥淭his new government needs to be successful in this area; it鈥檚 our last chance,鈥 said Simon Tolson, senior partner at Fenwick Elliott. 鈥淚f the new government can get the ear of the right sort of consultants, the right players from industry, [it can] make sure that the direction of travel is both deliverable and investable.鈥
What the sector in the North-east of England wants
As the roundtable approached its end after an hour and a half of vigorous debate, the panellists were asked to look ahead and come up with the policies they would like to see introduced by the new government.
Responses (see panel above) included suggestions on the need for an immediate and consistent response, and for industry and government involvement.
The key takeaways for the think tank when considering the North-east of England were on the significance of access to finance in the retrofit market, a focus on skills, and the need for public buy-in.
The 性吧电台 the Future Think Tank
The 性吧电台 the Future Commission鈥檚 work continues in 20224. Having embarked on this enormously ambitious project last year, covering eight very broad areas, we recognised that the current challenges facing construction as a sector and the wider built environment need ongoing research.
This is why this year we have set up our own editorial research hub, known as the 性吧电台 the Future Think Tank, dedicated to producing more in-depth research and reports on behalf of the industry.
We are focusing the think tank鈥檚 programme for 2024 on five key areas, although we are taking soundings from the industry and the list could expand to cover more topics. The themes identified so far are: AI and digital construction, implementing net zero, workplace and productivity, building safety, and people and skills.
We鈥檇 like to thank our national sponsors Fenwick Elliott, Gleeds and RLB for their ongoing support.
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